a simple ship with a new concept

[Ninteen45]

A gun in space would never work. Period.

[BlkRdgPharmPRSTAFF]

A gun in space would never work. Period.

Even if it did it's practicality would at best be questionable. For example an AK47 round goes around 3000 meters per second, to my knowledge. In space, at ranges of kilometers, 3000 meters per second would be pathetic. It would be like dodging falling parachutes. Even if it was some awesome space age propellant, it would be difficult to get the projectile up to any respectable speed. Also throwing stuff is a terrible way to transfer energy. While the idea of super heavy slugs is awesome and all, in space, Newton's law that every action has an opposite and equal reaction becomes all the more apparent. The heavier the projectile, the more the ship it's self would move, and the more powerful the propellant, even more the ship would move. To get a heavy shell to a fast speed would probably cause the ship to have to counter the forces with thrusters, which would be grossly inefficient compared to simply using lasers, which are connected to an electrical powersource, and as a result, never have to be reloaded.

[Lizzie]

I have to agree with both the Doctor and Lizzie. Exposed ammo belts in space are not realistic. Besides machine guns in space are almost useless. The require oxygen to combust and space has none.

There's probably some way to hold the oxygen inside the gun before it fires so it could work.

But yea, when it comes to ballistic weapons your more likely going to rely on coilguns and railguns (Not the BSF variety).
IVL use coilguns specifically.

Also the bullet color being yellow doesn't look right. Try to make it a more pearly color.

[Siber]

Actually, you could fire most modern firearms in space. Propellant tends to contain oxygen these days, and even if it doesn't it's well within our reach to make it so. No, the problems of guns in space are heat and lubricants. Any lubrication the gun needs to keep all those sliding metal parts working will boil away into space quite rapidly, leaving the whole thing to seize up nicely. Next, heat. Heat is carried away from most things that we're familiar with by transferring it to cooler air, which is then carried away. In space, there is no air to carry heat away, and all you really have is radiative cooling, which isn't exactly super effective. Even in air, machine guns have issues with barrels melting after one or two full belts, and in space this issue would be much more severe.

More to the original point, I could very much buy ammo belts on a space craft if it were a more spindly, framework type deal, like something we might buy today or in the near future. The armor plated monstrosities of popular fiction, less so, but they're not the only type of spacecraft that's conceivable.

[Pyper]

Back on the topic, I like the look of your ship, it has a nice and deadly silhouette. While the viability of ammo belts is debateable, they add a nice curvy counterpoint to the angular hull, and I also like the contrast in colors. I will have to aggree with Lizzie on one point, I am not liking the mustard shots of the repeaters. While it matches the ammo belt color, it does seem a little stark for bullets. I'd tone 'em down a bit.

Depending on the guns' damage rating and what you are fighting, 100 rounds of big ammo and 6000 rounds of little ammo might not actually be "limited" in game terms. If you can kill with abandon and still have ammo left maybe it needs less ammo storage. That's more a logistics balancing problem.

[Darkship]

i like the ammo chains along the ship, that add a nice touch. but i would like to share something if you don't mind. maybe for another you could do a large external magazine with like windows to look at the bullets inside that might look nice but its just an idea i thought i might put forward.

best of luck on other similarly themed ships.

[Empty]

A gun in space would never work. Period.

Even if it did it's practicality would at best be questionable. For example an AK47 round goes around 3000 meters per second, to my knowledge. In space, at ranges of kilometers, 3000 meters per second would be pathetic. It would be like dodging falling parachutes. Even if it was some awesome space age propellant, it would be difficult to get the projectile up to any respectable speed. Also throwing stuff is a terrible way to transfer energy. While the idea of super heavy slugs is awesome and all, in space, Newton's law that every action has an opposite and equal reaction becomes all the more apparent. The heavier the projectile, the more the ship it's self would move, and the more powerful the propellant, even more the ship would move. To get a heavy shell to a fast speed would probably cause the ship to have to counter the forces with thrusters, which would be grossly inefficient compared to simply using lasers, which are connected to an electrical powersource, and as a result, never have to be reloaded.

Aha!

But what if you have a weapon that launches the shell out the side and starts a small timer. After the timer goes off [0.2-0.5 sec probably] it ignites the propellant and throws the heavy slug forward at high speed, the casing gets forced back at very high speed too, but it pretty much pings off whatever it hits, being light. In fact it probably got incinerated in the process of firing.

What do you say to that?

EDIT: In fact you could launch them at a much greater speed than a normal rifle, forcing them out at high speed in large quantities and then firing them all.

Accuracy would be an issue with very high rates of fire however, as they would turn and sometimes collide with eachother.

[BlkRdgPharmPRSTAFF]

A gun in space would never work. Period.

Even if it did it's practicality would at best be questionable. For example an AK47 round goes around 3000 meters per second, to my knowledge. In space, at ranges of kilometers, 3000 meters per second would be pathetic. It would be like dodging falling parachutes. Even if it was some awesome space age propellant, it would be difficult to get the projectile up to any respectable speed. Also throwing stuff is a terrible way to transfer energy. While the idea of super heavy slugs is awesome and all, in space, Newton's law that every action has an opposite and equal reaction becomes all the more apparent. The heavier the projectile, the more the ship it's self would move, and the more powerful the propellant, even more the ship would move. To get a heavy shell to a fast speed would probably cause the ship to have to counter the forces with thrusters, which would be grossly inefficient compared to simply using lasers, which are connected to an electrical powersource, and as a result, never have to be reloaded.

Aha!

But what if you have a weapon that launches the shell out the side and starts a small timer. After the timer goes off [0.2-0.5 sec probably] it ignites the propellant and throws the heavy slug forward at high speed, the casing gets forced back at very high speed too, but it pretty much pings off whatever it hits, being light. In fact it probably got incinerated in the process of firing.

What do you say to that?

EDIT: In fact you could launch them at a much greater speed than a normal rifle, forcing them out at high speed in large quantities and then firing them all.

Accuracy would be an issue with very high rates of fire however, as they would turn and sometimes collide with eachother.

Momentum of the casing would be equivalent to the moment of the bullet, due to conservation of momentum. As a result the casing, though low in mass, will be propelled incredibly quickly, and the same would occur.

[Empty]

Hence firing it off the edge of the ship, where the casings will travel off into space quite happily. Again, vaporising the casing in the process works the best, breaking it into tiny particles a ship hull can easily withstand is an even better result.

[DoubleThink]

because ARTISTIC FREEDOM.

why do your ships not resemble the actual Molecules of the drugs they represent ?

THIS is artistic freedom:





THAT is failure to foresee possible battle circumstances.

[Anty]

A gun in space would never work. Period.

Even if it did it's practicality would at best be questionable. For example an AK47 round goes around 3000 meters per second, to my knowledge. In space, at ranges of kilometers, 3000 meters per second would be pathetic. It would be like dodging falling parachutes. Even if it was some awesome space age propellant, it would be difficult to get the projectile up to any respectable speed. Also throwing stuff is a terrible way to transfer energy. While the idea of super heavy slugs is awesome and all, in space, Newton's law that every action has an opposite and equal reaction becomes all the more apparent. The heavier the projectile, the more the ship it's self would move, and the more powerful the propellant, even more the ship would move. To get a heavy shell to a fast speed would probably cause the ship to have to counter the forces with thrusters, which would be grossly inefficient compared to simply using lasers, which are connected to an electrical powersource, and as a result, never have to be reloaded.

yes I get it, lasers are a realistic solution

still I think we would sooner see machine guns in space the lasers the weight of a bullet vs a spaceship is extremely small a bullet of 100 grams vs a spaceship of 10 tons with the bullet going 3000 m/s that would mean the ship accelerate 3cm/s backwards which is easily compensated by thrusters. Also modern warships fire accurate at 30km with cannons. In 3 seconds you can't see the shell coming and then evade it

add some oxygen to the shells, carry some cooling liquid. or you could also use some sort mini-rockets to fire at the enemy or normal missles

[BlkRdgPharmPRSTAFF]

A gun in space would never work. Period.

Even if it did it's practicality would at best be questionable. For example an AK47 round goes around 3000 meters per second, to my knowledge. In space, at ranges of kilometers, 3000 meters per second would be pathetic. It would be like dodging falling parachutes. Even if it was some awesome space age propellant, it would be difficult to get the projectile up to any respectable speed. Also throwing stuff is a terrible way to transfer energy. While the idea of super heavy slugs is awesome and all, in space, Newton's law that every action has an opposite and equal reaction becomes all the more apparent. The heavier the projectile, the more the ship it's self would move, and the more powerful the propellant, even more the ship would move. To get a heavy shell to a fast speed would probably cause the ship to have to counter the forces with thrusters, which would be grossly inefficient compared to simply using lasers, which are connected to an electrical powersource, and as a result, never have to be reloaded.

yes I get it, lasers are a realistic solution

still I think we would sooner see machine guns in space the lasers the weight of a bullet vs a spaceship is extremely small a bullet of 100 grams vs a spaceship of 10 tons with the bullet going 3000 m/s that would mean the ship accelerate 3cm/s backwards which is easily compensated by thrusters. Also modern warships fire accurate at 30km with cannons. In 3 seconds you can't see the shell coming and then evade it

add some oxygen to the shells, carry some cooling liquid. or you could also use some sort mini-rockets to fire at the enemy or normal missles

3000m/s is tiny at a range of 100 Km, which is probably far less then most ship fights would happen at. Also a 100 gram bullet would do absolutely nothing.

[Ai_512]

Also a 100 gram bullet would do absolutely nothing.

"The aliens scratched my paint!"

[Swamp Fox]

Also modern warships fire accurate at 30km with cannons.

Sorry, but ranges greater than 30km were achieved way back when my grandparents were in the military. About the actual ships, I'm a bit dubious about whether or not exterior ammunition belts would work in space, but for different reasons than the others voiced so far. I personally think it would be tiny bit more plausible if you could make it look like you had individual bullets traveling through a straight, rigid guide, but that's just my opinion. I do find your concept an unusual one, so congratulations for that. I enjoy the unusual.

[Anty]

uhm, you are right there is no weapon effective at 100km that is why ships would be much closer together there is no weapon system in existance that is more effective then projectile weapons
You also seem to forget that one bullet is enough to make a hole in a ship which is very annoying in space.
if spaceships are heavily armoured you need something armour piercing, but one bullet againts a spaceshuttle would cause major damage