A NOTE REGARDING THESE FORUMS

Post by **Anna** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:16 am

Here's a very important piece of information, which it seems many people, some newbies in particular, have failed to realise. By posting ships in a thread of their own, you are asking for feedback. This feedback is not required to be mindless, meaningless, vapid praise. If your ship is bad, people will tell you it's bad. If it is flawed in some manner, people can and will tell you as much. If your ship has bad parenting, for example, and you post a picture of the bad parenting, it's pretty damn stupid of you to get pissed off when people say "your parenting is bad".

If you don't want criticism on your ships, and feel they're perfect as they are, that no-one elses opinion matters, and that any flaws in your design should be ignored, you're an arrogant dick, and you're free to post your ships in the Custom Ships Gallery, where no one will tell you that it sucks.

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Ninteen45 · Post by **Ninteen45** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:20 am

Sorry, I've already sold my soul to the devil.

Thank god this is here. Sticky for a week plz

Post by **Anna** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:26 am

No, I will not be stickying this thread, since it seems that the people who do this also are usually the same people who ignore any thread that's stickied.

Also, I'd like to thank Siber for suggesting making this topic. I didn't think it was necessary at first, but now I realise that yes, it really is.

Ninteen45 · Post by **Ninteen45** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:28 am

Oh, I forgot that.

Out of interest, Do you watch doctor who?

Post by **Anna** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:31 am

That's not really on topic, but yes, I do.

That's where my sig came from. I would make a good Dalek.

Ninteen45 · Post by **Ninteen45** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:36 am

I knew it.

I hope somebody new takes notice, I usually read everything when I join a forum.

lightstriker · Post by **lightstriker** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:36 am

doubt that people who ignore stickies aren't going to ignore this too (wow, that was well phrased...) but, frankly, it needed to be said. As much as i love reading the 2 page long "(moderator)your ships suck, (creator) you suck,(moderator) you're banned" posts, it would be nice if it stopped... there's more than enough already.

Anyhoo, good luck containing it, and if you're going to cry about criticism, keep you're ships to yourself. Hell, if you're going to get mad over people helping you they probably suck anyways.
edit: how much trouble would i get in if i inserted a blatant plug for myself here?

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Post by **Anna** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:43 am

"(moderator)your ships suck, (creator) you suck,(moderator) you're banned"

To be fair, Gix was only banned for the admission of trolling and the (rather pathetic) threat to get others to join in the trolling. If I banned everyone who said anything mean about me, half the forums would go down in flames.

I'm fine with people calling me names, since it's usually fairly amusing.

Anyhoo, good luck containing it, and if you're going to cry about criticism, keep you're ships to yourself. Hell, if you're going to get mad over people helping you they probably suck anyways.

Truer words are harder to come by.

edit: how much trouble would i get in if i inserted a blatant plug for myself here?

Plug away. I don't mind.

Edit: I really need to stop clicking "edit" instead of quote. I keep doing it on accident. -.- Oh well, at least I fix the posts afterwards.

Siber · Post by **Siber** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:07 am

Something I'd like to add: Criticism can point out ways to fix something, but it doesn't have to. You can declare that you don't like a ship because a feature without knowing how to fix it. If someone can walk you through how to make your ship better, great, but not everyone is going to hold your hand and show you the way, some are just going to point out where you stepped off the path, and there's nothing really wrong with that.

ArcaneDude · Post by **ArcaneDude** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:14 am

Also something people seem to miss;

Critisizers may and will use colourful words. This is never intented to be personal. It will only become personal if you see it that way.

Get that into your fucking thick skulls, idiots!

lightstriker · Post by **lightstriker** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:33 am

awww...
And remember, Anna doesn't hate you...
yet.
In order to avoid the aforementioned possibility, we, the members of pfndh (people for not dying horribly) strongly recomend:
1. Taking advice that is given to you
2. Recognising when people have more experience than you (and, on a related note, realising that even people who don't have much experience can tell when a ship is good or not )
and 3. Realising that people sometimes misphrase things. if they apologise and correct themselves, just let it die (there's some example of of that that happened recently, does anyone know where?)

of course, what do i know?

Ninteen45 · Post by **Ninteen45** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:36 am

of course, what do i know?

Too much.

We must Get rid of you!

Post by **Anna** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:53 am

Bumping this again.

Cerebrus · Post by **Cerebrus** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:00 pm

People need to learn the difference between thoughtful criticism and unnecessarily vulgar bitching.

Raul · Post by **Raul** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:21 pm

My only complaint about comments has been when I don't feel their really putting any effort into a post. I understand thats not a requirement to post but when I pushed vets to expand on their general one liners, their experience showed in the advice they gave.

Usually their comments are right but if someone says a ship is just bad, it doesn't mean that much. When any sort of example is given, I and most of the other builders almost always make the changes, or at least try a different tact.

I accepted that advice even when it meant scrapping most or all of the ships I was working on, and my designs greatly improved from ideas I wouldn't have thought of. So I understand people's frustration when builders don't like or take advice, but their reactions are often based on how much effort is put into the comments and criticism.

So I appreciate all those who comment on a ship no matter how much they think it sucks, and even more those who make a sincere effort to educate the builder.