Ground battle concept

Post by **Aralonia** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:19 am

Ethril wrote:Bah, it's just a similar concept to the WW2 naval battles tournament thing.
It's just for fun.

Can't wait for the air support. 8)

WW2 naval battles are okay, though, since there's no terrain. Ground combat requires terrain.

derekiv · Post by **derekiv** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:33 am

Aralonia wrote:
Ethril wrote:Bah, it's just a similar concept to the WW2 naval battles tournament thing.
It's just for fun.

Can't wait for the air support. 8)
WW2 naval battles are okay, though, since there's no terrain. Ground combat requires terrain.

Naval battles have waves batering ships, with wave height depending on conditions of the sea.

TheBlueEcho · Post by **TheBlueEcho** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:34 am

Gah! Let Goduranus have his Ground Combat.

TormakSaber · Post by **TormakSaber** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:00 am

Of course it won't be perfect, damned if it doesn't look pretty neat though.

Props for good idea execution.

Water_and_Wind · Post by **Water_and_Wind** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:03 am

The main problem with this is sideways moving tanks lol. Otherwise it's a pretty good concept.

TormakSaber · Post by **TormakSaber** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:07 am

Water_and_Wind wrote:The main problem with this is sideways moving tanks lol. Otherwise it's a pretty good concept.

You could rationalize that as the maingun turret rotating, so while it's pointing one way, the tank is moving another.

TheBlueEcho · Post by **TheBlueEcho** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:42 am

I Think Da Vinci created the round tank that attacks at 360 degrees. Just guessing of course.

Post by **Aralonia** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:19 am

TheBlueEcho wrote:I Think Da Vinci created the round tank that attacks at 360 degrees. Just guessing of course.

And $technology created the tank with a turret, so that it could attack at 360 degrees by pointing the main gun at an enemy. Granted, you lose the frontal hull armour and expose your tracks more, but the option's there.

Derekiv wrote:Naval battles have waves batering ships, with wave height depending on conditions of the sea.

Waves break when hitting the side of a naval vessel. Inaccuracy is easily adjusted. Besides, terrain is much, much more important in ground combat ("TAKE COVER!""SIR, THERE'S NO COVER AROUND HERE." "OH, SHIT *artystrike'd*") than in naval combat ("TAKE COVER!" "We're in the middle of the goddamn ocean." "Well, we knew that. Press on and have that idiot shot.")

Ethril · Post by **Ethril** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:35 am

Well, uh...

We've got asteroids...

Not quite the same, though, and it'd look weird with them rotating.

TheBlueEcho · Post by **TheBlueEcho** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:42 am

And destroyed. Can a tank really destroy a rock and get 3 rocks around the same size?

Latooni · Post by **Latooni** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:43 am

derekiv wrote:
Aralonia wrote:
Ethril wrote:Bah, it's just a similar concept to the WW2 naval battles tournament thing.
It's just for fun.

Can't wait for the air support. 8)
WW2 naval battles are okay, though, since there's no terrain. Ground combat requires terrain.
Naval battles have waves batering ships, with wave height depending on conditions of the sea.

I have never seen a game that gives a shit about that.

Post by **Arcalane** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:04 pm

The obvious solution to terrain in some aspects is obviously non-rotating station-buildings.

Not sure how you'd handle them though.

Droid · Post by **Droid** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:42 pm

You can set turn speed on stations to 0 and they won't turn

...I think...so that would definitely work

Also, asteroids (not meteors) make good terrain - they look like rocks, they are tough to destroy (they can take quite a bit of firepower), plus, they can't be thrown around by gravbeams.

goduranus · Post by **goduranus** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:01 pm

Aralonia wrote: WW2 naval battles are okay, though, since there's no terrain. Ground combat requires terrain.

This is an approximation with the goal of being fun to play and fun to watch, not a hardcore simulation. Real space combat requires electronic warfare, which pretty much none of the space games model accurately, and not a lot of people are beefing about that.

Tanks can strafe because maybe they are hover tanks? Also, I'm considering using low HP Aegis sections to represent armor that can deflect small calibre shots.

Edit: one really bad thing is that the background has parallax, so if you move the camera, the "tanks" and the background move at different rates, so it looks like that the tanks are floating.

Post by **Aralonia** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:54 pm

goduranus wrote:Real space combat requires electronic warfare, which pretty much none of the space games model accurately, and not a lot of people are beefing about that.

Tanks can strafe because maybe they are hover tanks?

EW can be defeated by either:

IR (you can't really dissipate heat from reactors against the background)
LIDAR (have fun masking your ship from direct light, or at least the general area/shape + size)

Tanks can strafe because you can model them as pointing the turret in one direction and moving in the other.