Wanna see something retarded?

Post by **Kaelis** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:34 am

This has been bugging me for some time. I even bothered th15 about it, but apparently hes too busy.

BUT! After two painful hours of making sure im not seeing things (im still not sure, though) i think ive figured it out.

Thus, with outrageously upscaled images (because i have issues), for your guilty viewing pleasure:

( WARNING: Sanity not guaranteed. Might contain pink elephants. )

1. Move the core away from its default position.
2. Create section09 and input these coordinates: x: 1100 y: 1020.
3. Make a screenshot:

(added grid lines as an overlay, they actually meet at 1099, 1019)
4. Flip it along x axis, then flip it along y axis.
5. Rotate it 180 degrees.
6. Make a screenshot:

7. Compare.

So it gets shifted 1 pixel to the right and 1 pixel down, no biggie...

But wait, theres more!

It actually doesn't get shifted. Its the point around which rotation/scaling/flipping happens which is the culprit. This leads to some retarded behavior.

Before retardation:

Notice the red dot? Its that point around which the whole sprite gets rotated. Its also the point of section coordinates.

After retardation:

\o/

This also applies to scaling.

Everytime you flip a section, this point gets shifted. And a pink elephant dies. How many more have to die?

mtheminja · Post by **mtheminja** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:48 am

Conspiracy theorey confirmation alert

I knew it... th15 is secretly using us to build a fleet of ships piloted by PINK ELEPHANTS, using shipmaker to sneak them in...

Seriously though, these off by half a pixel type issues could really use updating, especially with evidence like this to help th15.

Post by **Arcalane** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:51 am

This, kids, is proof as to why Kaelis, like many other nerds, will never get laid.

P.S. you have a wrong image on the bottom row of examples.

TBH I doubt this'll help th15 fix the issue but you never know.

Post by **Kaelis** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:12 am

Arcalane wrote:This, kids, is proof as to why Kaelis, like many other nerds, will never get laid.

Thanks for care, but its too late 8)

Arcalane wrote:P.S. you have a wrong image on the bottom row of examples.

Thanks, fixxored.

Arcalane wrote:TBH I doubt this'll help th15 fix the issue but you never know.

I wonder if he knew about this... And fixing this might be impossible - may as well be an issue with GM.

Sponge · Post by **Sponge** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:32 am

I have also noticed this. I also HATE that section. Seriously, I would be very happy if it were replaced with a near-identical symmetrical piece so it could be used more effectively in symmetrical ships.

Latooni · Post by **Latooni** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:39 am

And here I was about to yell at Kaelis for posting his picture topic in the wrong forum.

</burn>

Comus · Post by **Comus** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:57 am

Sponge wrote:I have also noticed this. I also HATE that section. Seriously, I would be very happy if it were replaced with a near-identical symmetrical piece so it could be used more effectively in symmetrical ships.

Conversely, I love that section, and use it a lot.

Sponge · Post by **Sponge** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:05 am

It's not that it's a bad section, but often I'm looking for something to stick on the back of front of a symmetrical ship (especially in tournaments). That piece seems the obvious choice, but it throws off the mirroring because of the unevenly spaced prongs and the odd width of the section. I like the piece in theory, but in practice, it sucks. Maybe I'll make an image later tonight to more accurately describe the changes I think would be nice. Also, it looks like a face, and that bothers me.

M123 · Post by **M123** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:41 pm

Sponge wrote:Also, it looks like a face, and that bothers me.

So I'm not the only one...

Griffin999 · Post by **Griffin999** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:22 am

So I'm not the only one

I count three of us

derekiv · Post by **derekiv** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:35 am

Griffin999 wrote:
So I'm not the only one

I count three of us

*after looking closely*
I think I can just see a...
holy crap!!!
*falls out of chair*

I think that makes four

Squishy · Post by **Squishy** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:20 pm

Excellent work, Kaelis.

I too have noticed that flipping (and through mirroring) will shift the center point 1 pixel in a direction, perpendicular to the axis of the flip.

I recently developed a work-around to 'maintain' symmetry of pieces, but I'll double check the method to make sure it works. Will post tomorrow.

The gist of it is that, knowing a flip along the vertical axis shifts the point left/right, and horizontal being up/down, you account for the shift along the centerline of a ship by limiting yourself to only one of the flips and never both.

Edit:

Also, it looks like a face, and that bothers me.

Oh hell no...

Spoot Knight · Post by **Spoot Knight** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:05 pm

Squishy wrote:
Also, it looks like a face, and that bothers me.
Oh hell no...

Oh hell no what?

M123 · Post by **M123** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:43 pm

Spoot Knight wrote:
Squishy wrote:
Also, it looks like a face, and that bothers me.
Oh hell no...
Oh hell no what?

It really is that scary...

warhammer158 · Post by **warhammer158** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:52 am

M123 wrote:
Spoot Knight wrote:
Squishy wrote: Oh hell no...
Oh hell no what?
It really is that scary...

it is just sitting there, staring, waiting....Oh wait... it just blew up, phew i traught i was stuck