3rd Custom Ships Tournament: Fleets [Submission Closed]

DarkenShroud · Post by **DarkenShroud** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:21 am

Not sure what the deal is with these ships. But there is a 3 weapon/module limit per section, not both but all together. Sections may not completely cover one another so if you have the 4 other sections hiding under those two its illegal. Or am I just blind and can't see Kenshins 4 other sections. Have two shields but only two sections which is also illegal. Not sure if I am missing something here, and not sure if Cmd Prompt already made ya aware of this in PM. But these ships look illegal in a bout 3 differnt ways. Please let me know if I am mistaken, I have been pmed by another player saying the same thing about these ships. And I seen it at first but thought I was going crazy or something. Now that another player pmed me on this, I will speak up. For I am not the only one seeing it lol. Kenshin brother, whats the deal? Am I missing something, or did you just not read the rules correctly?

Very confused DarkenShroud, and I'm not trying to face ships that illegal lol. Looks like you used the rules from the old Penny tourney mixed with these rules to your liking. LOL. I always loved your style of building, but again unless I am missing something, these ships are 300 percent illegal.
Also weapons and modules cannot be connected off the core. I count way more then 3 weapons/modules per section here. Looks more like 8-10 per section lol.

I maybe see two section in the middle of the ship on each side ,overlapping the 26's. Not sure if thats legit or not if thats the case. But thats the only thing I can see that might be the answer to my question. If thats legal then definetly a good build if what I just saw is the case.

antisocialmunky · Post by **antisocialmunky** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:38 am

He has 6 sections, 2 big one and four small triangle ones. Each of the triangles have 3 gattling pulses. The Frosch gun is parented to one of the big sections. The small sections definitely don't cover very much area on the big pieces.

Looks alright.

DarkenShroud · Post by **DarkenShroud** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:44 am

Yeah thats what I just seen after blowing the pic up abit, so as long as there ontop of the 26's its legit then? If so very good build, just kinda funky that those triangle sections are completely covered by the 26's even if on top. They rest completely ontop of the 26's is what I mean. Not sure how the rules would be interpreted in that case. But the triangles would have to be parented to the sections 26's, which would make kenshin's ships very blowupable when there shields drop. Each section 26 you blow up would take out 3 sections. Awsome *smiles* Better check if those triangles are parented to the 26's, and not the core. Which would be illegal cuz they completely rest on the 26's, and there is no space in between the 26's for the tirangles to parent the core. A very major flaw in the design, unless you could modify the two shields energy to last longer, which would be illegal. So yeah, when those shields drop, and one of those 26's go, then half your ship will go in the process. At least from what I see now. Very strange why someone would leave themselves open like this, Cuz theres just no way the triangles could be parented to the core, then the 26's parented off the triangles. At least I'm pretty sure thats the case when I look where they all rest. If the core is already covered by sections, then you maynot parent more to the core itself.

There is one style I can think of to make all sections parent to the core with this design type, I actually have flirted with it for sometime. But I don't see that style here, and it just seems that either there is a major design flaw here. And the triangles are parented to the 26's. Or that the core is already overlapped and that the other sections are trying to parent off the core after it already has been covered. Sorry I like to analyze the competition to ensure a fair match

And see the design flaws that could be exploited, and how things will turn out. And kenshin has been the one person I have looked up to design wise the most. Always deadly, and always a solid build. If I am wrong and all this is mere speculation, then very nice work. But you maybe abit to confident, I see alot of fleets out there that will do well. Mine was rushed really lol, all in a hour or so. Decided against my backstabbers for this one, just not good enough against frigates to make the differnce.

Himura.Kenshin · Post by **Himura.Kenshin** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:59 am

Meh, I'll leave it up to CmdPrompt for the final decision. Better to ask forgiveness than permission, as the old saying goes

. I took a leap, and if I'm wrong, then I have no objections to him kicking me out of the tournament if they are infact found to be illegal. I also have two (parenting fixed) designs ready to shoot off to him if he wishes.

My sincerest apologies for causing commotion. I genuinely think that with this ruleset my ships are legal

.

antisocialmunky · Post by **antisocialmunky** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:09 am

Well, I hope he allows it. Its not really a tourney if there's no crazy jump ontop ship from you. All the same, speed four ships can't even catch mine.

Himura.Kenshin · Post by **Himura.Kenshin** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:26 am

Just set mine up against TBE's, and mine really didn't do as well as I thought they would and as well as they had in my tests.

That said, I beat yours with three ships remaining 75% of the time. The other 25%, I only finished with 2 ships. =P.

So yeah, any ships with 2.6ish speed or higher + flanking AI is really going to be a pain in the ass for me.

Oh well ^.^.

antisocialmunky · Post by **antisocialmunky** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:53 am

Oh, the test ships. I don't think I put in a speed sixish beamer in there... :twisted:

Himura.Kenshin · Post by **Himura.Kenshin** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:55 am

I tested it with tons of other stuff too, don't worry =P. Including speed six stuff. But not speed six beamers =\.

antisocialmunky · Post by **antisocialmunky** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:05 am

How'd they do against speed 6 stuff?

Himura.Kenshin · Post by **Himura.Kenshin** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:43 am

Fuck it.

I forgot there was a base speed.

My ships would have been 4.6 speed. Fuck it, Fuck it, Fuck it.

DarkenShroud · Post by **DarkenShroud** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:16 am

LOL I almost made the same mistake. I really don't care eitherway, I was just looking at them and said damn that looks pretty good to be legal

And just seen some stuff that was odd to me. No worries, unless there is some sort of parent problem like I stated. Then you should be good to go.

CmdPrompt · Post by **CmdPrompt** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:46 am

the matches are run but i just burned my hand so not gonna be uploaded tonight
hopefully it will heal quickly i kind of have an internship as a programmer :/

Himura.Kenshin · Post by **Himura.Kenshin** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:02 am

For the next matches can you add the base stats to my ships? >.<

Or I can send you a PM with them =D.

Master Chief · Post by **Master Chief** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:10 am

Himura.Kenshin wrote:So yeah, any ships with 2.6ish speed or higher + flanking AI is really going to be a pain in the ass for me.

Yes! I'm gonna be a pain in your ass! Woot!

Speed 3.6.

Mr_Wizard · Post by **Mr_Wizard** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:15 am

I wish I had put those extra 4 points on my frigate into speed now instead of the railgun, but I just can't resist the urge to add more guns. >.<
Ah well this is going to be fun in anycase.