3rd Custom Ships Tournament: Fleets [Submission Closed]

Daxx · Post by **Daxx** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:05 pm

7. Daxx, Expeditionary Force Delta

Long time lurker, first time poster, decided to de-lurk to enter the tourney. Hello everyone!

antisocialmunky · Post by **antisocialmunky** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:14 pm

Now try that on the default screen size. I don't think the map size was ever mentioned for this tourney.

Well, try my test fleet for example. Granted they're just quite test ships, but still, its proof of concept.

4 ships, oh where did half of them go? Can I get past your deflector? No and you don't have to worry about getting flanked or anything because you're off screen. See a problem with that?

4 ships, where did three of them go? The one on that didn't got shredded but the ones in the corner I couldn't do anything about because they couldn't be flanked, they just had to stare at my ships with their deflectors up and they were as good as invincible because maneuver goes out the window.

Now, I do agree that its not so much a problem on bigger maps. I ran a few tests on 4048 x 4048. Your ships got blowed up because my test ships just buzzed around them and picked them apart. So that's a partial remedy until they do jump off screen.

Anarki · Post by **Anarki** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:20 pm

If you can request the starting formation of your fleet, then:

8. Anarki - The Bringer of the New Dawn

DarkenShroud · Post by **DarkenShroud** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:02 am

Anarki wrote:If you can request the starting formation of your fleet, then:

8. Anarki - The Bringer of the New Dawn

I remeber him saying something that we are allowed to request the starting placement of our fleets, otherwise he said the defaults will be in a single line, if starting placements are not requested by a particular player.

Your ships got blowed up because my test ships just buzzed around them and picked them apart. So that's a partial remedy until they do jump off screen.

So did ya like the concept ? Pretty shady huh lol, jump behind a medium or slow speed ship...does it again.....does it again.....does it again....making that slow or medium speed ship, constantly have to keep turning to face the backstabber. Which constantly keeps jumping behind the enemy, tearing at there rear or sides. Using quads you can fire at there rear sections right after you jump...no turning involved. Very, very, effective when used properly on a larger map especially. The ships do not always stay off the map, they jump towards the other ships on the map, cuz there AI range is set to negative values....they do not keep jumping backwards off the screen as your implying. If ya set a ship with a device to say 1000, then yes you will keep jumping back off the screen. But my backstabbers, are constantly jumping behind the enemy, which makes them tend to stick on the map for the most part. The first few jumps however are shaky, and do sometimes bring me off the screen.

Like I said.....there weak against faster ships that use lancets especially. No arguements out of me lol. Ban them whatever I don't care, my fleet for this tourney here doesn't use devices...

I'm pretty sure the map size will be at least 3000 x 3000 if not 4800 x 4800. Default size will be too small to be of much use in fleet actions of this nature.

In closing.....asking for device using ships to only be allowed a positive AI value is absurd. That will make ships keep jumping away and backwards from the enemy, making them go off the screen even more then the backstabber designs. Which tend to stay on the map

Because its jumping towards them at all times, to achieve a side or rear jump and fire where the enemy is most vulnerable.

antisocialmunky · Post by **antisocialmunky** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:59 am

Well, if they are jumping off screen about half the time like in some of my tests. That's still a problem.

The concept is nice though except that they do go off screen quite frequently. You're probably just testing against the wrong type of ships if they almost never go off screen for you. Ships that stay toward s the middle won't run into that problem but ships that try and flank your fleet and say close to the edges will.

You can always set them to flanking AI. They'll attack the enemies sides and rear. They'll just get stuck in corners but won't go off screen as often.

CmdPrompt · Post by **CmdPrompt** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:48 am

I remeber him saying something that we are allowed to request the starting placement of our fleets, otherwise he said the defaults will be in a single line, if starting placements are not requested by a particular player.

Correct sir, let me put that in the OP.

DarkenShroud · Post by **DarkenShroud** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:12 am

I know you don't want to test against any of the entries Cmd Prompt, but if ya change your mind. I'll send you only, a few of my fleet set ups to test against your fleet ideas. I usually pick out one person (who is trustworthy and will not share my ideas with others) to exchange ideas with, and share my own with to test against each other. If ya want a few shady fleet set ups to test against, feel free to respond here or PM me. I have currently 4 set ups for this tourney using your new updated rules. I really enjoy working with the new rules you have posted, very nice work on updating them. Well balanced for sure, and definetly to my liking. My fleet set ups are shall we say........excellent thus far against the few fleets that have been posted for this tourney already. Again feel free to pm me or respond here, if your looking for a few fleets to test against. I will be most happy to send ya a few of mine. Your a good judge of how well a fleet will work, and what needs done to improve it. Really just want feedback on my work, so I chose you first to share it with. Because you are trustworthy, and will be honest/helpful with your feedback to me about my ideas.

I've been using differnt set ups of three to test against, these are the ships I test against so far. Sometimes I'll spawn three of the same ship, sometimes I mix them up.

the202 wrote:Heres my fleet
http://www.wyrdysm.com/battleshipsforev ... nement.shp
http://www.wyrdysm.com/battleshipsforev ... nement.shp
http://www.wyrdysm.com/battleshipsforev ... nal_FF.shp

antisocialmunky · Post by **antisocialmunky** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:07 am

Meh, I think I left some Tac Whores in the old thread for people to play with. I was wondering what fleets you were talking about...

Team Orbital
http://files.filefront.com/Team+Orbitzi ... einfo.html

Or Fleet Meme?
http://files.filefront.com/Fleet+Memezi ... einfo.html

DarkenShroud · Post by **DarkenShroud** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:10 am

Yeah been playing with those too, thats what I meant by the few that have been submitted.

Always good to test against Tac users, I expect at least half the fleets out there to employ them to some extent.

Meh, I think I left some Tac Whores in the old thread for people to play with. I was wondering what fleets you were talking about...

antisocialmunky · Post by **antisocialmunky** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:54 pm

I'll test your fleets.

DarkenShroud · Post by **DarkenShroud** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:22 pm

antisocialmunky wrote:I'll test your fleets.

By invite only

If Cmd Prompts not interested, I may team up with you to share some ideas. Can you be trusted though lol, not to share my ideas/set ups with others. Or use those set ups against me, and or copy them

You seem like a stand up kinda person who can keep there mouth closed when needed, are you in fact so?

I'll think about it if Cmd Prompts not interested though, I'm always looking for one person each tourney to share ideas with and test against. You seem to make some pretty well built ideas, that are very effective. I will definetly take you into consideration

CmdPrompt · Post by **CmdPrompt** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:31 pm

As tournament organizer that would be pretty shady.

DarkenShroud · Post by **DarkenShroud** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:46 pm

Why would it be shady, I offered you my fleet to test against. And expect you to return the favor and offer yours, we each share feedback on our ideas. Not shady, just putting two minds together to make a good solid fleet. Shady would be everyone submitting you there ships as organizer, then you go and test against them. I'm saying we can exchange ideas and fleets to test against each other, not shady at all to get others opinons and feedback.

CmdPrompt · Post by **CmdPrompt** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:23 pm

I just don't want to offend anyone with the idea that I'm giving unfair preference to you by helping you test.

I'm sure you could argue that point, but lets just cut it short: the answer is no. What you do with other people in the tournament is your business, but I'm not going to engage in it.

DarkenShroud · Post by **DarkenShroud** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:14 pm

All good, just thought it was a cool gesture on my part. I can understand where your coming from. Maybe I'll just stick to the 3 test fleets I do have, and just hope for the best. Just looking for some fresh ideas to test against, and for someone to give me some feedback with what I have going on for a fleet. Thanks anyways though, looking forward to the tourney in general.