Oh.. my

Shiemtek · Post by **Shiemtek** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:56 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/ ... index.html

Just when we forget about Cuba...

TormakSaber · Post by **TormakSaber** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:03 pm

Idealistically, we should celebrate.

Realistically, his brother and buddies will take over and it will be status quo, though his brother is much much less popular.

The Boz · Post by **The Boz** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:04 pm

Well, rejoice, I guess...
I mean, if his brother takes over without a fight... if it creates a power vacuum then I guess it's Bay of Pigs all over again.

Shiemtek · Post by **Shiemtek** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:02 pm

Obviously someone from the Castro family is going to take over the Regime there, and we'll still be upset about it.

Actually, I'd like to quote a comment from another forum. This person has a degree in Political Science, if it means anything ;D.

Anyway, my 2 cents as a poly sci major:

I, myself, do not believe that the socialist government in cuba will fall anytime soon, and I think it is essential for the next president of the United States to mend our ties with the country. The Cold War is over, and we must accept the fact that the Cuban government is here to stay. It is absurd that our country continues to basically deny the sovereignty of Cuba. If the United States really wants to bring social reform to people of Cuba, it must lift its restrictions first.

warhammer651 · Post by **warhammer651** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:29 pm

well, if castro resigns, that means that the US (being the meddlers we are) will attempt to create democracy

and fail.

then try again.....

and fail.

Master Chief · Post by **Master Chief** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:26 pm

Haha, that loser finally resigned...

I AM waiting for the day the US uses appropriate military force against Cuba...and when I mean military force, I mean those under-armed troops simply stroll in with toy guns and bubble makers.

The Boz · Post by **The Boz** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:45 pm

Military action against Cuba? WTF? For the fuck what?

Master Chief · Post by **Master Chief** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:09 pm

The Boz wrote:Military action against Cuba? WTF? For the f*** what?

Censor that rude word...

I said that the US were using toy guns to invade Cuba...their version of "military action".

Post by **Arcalane** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:27 pm

If censorship was mandatory, we would set the forums to filter offensive words out. As we have chosen not to, censorship is by choice of the poster.

The US as I see it is too used to using it's clout to get away with things, which doesn't really work in places like the Middle East as we've seen, and there's no reason to expect it'd go any better in Cuba IMO. I expect they will probably try to press for democracy (ironic, perhaps, that the way the things have been going in the US with things sliding -away- from democracy) and will probably fail.

"Appropriate military force" my ass. The US cannot just do that without getting a ton of flack from the rest of the world. They can't send in the Marines like that. 's not gonna work.

I think the guy in Shiemtek's quote has it right. The Cold War is over. Carrying a big gun is all well and good, but it's better to speak softly first.

Shiemtek · Post by **Shiemtek** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:15 pm

Arcalane wrote:If censorship was mandatory, we would set the forums to filter offensive words out. As we have chosen not to, censorship is by choice of the poster.

The US as I see it is too used to using it's clout to get away with things, which doesn't really work in places like the Middle East as we've seen, and there's no reason to expect it'd go any better in Cuba IMO. I expect they will probably try to press for democracy (ironic, perhaps, that the way the things have been going in the US with things sliding -away- from democracy) and will probably fail.

"Appropriate military force" my ass. The US cannot just do that without getting a ton of flack from the rest of the world. They can't send in the Marines like that. 's not gonna work.

I think the guy in Shiemtek's quote has it right. The Cold War is over. Carrying a big gun is all well and good, but it's better to speak softly first.

.. Especially when you live in a world which has the capability to destroy itself thrice over with it's "weapons of protection"

.

I don't believe it's possible for the United States to intervene in Cuba (again.. >,<) without getting a horrible amount of international pressure, which we really don't need right now. Then again, we've got the craziest loon in office right now, so there's no telling what we'll do..

And I can't tell you how [sarcasm]good[/sacrasm] that feels.

Normandy · Post by **Normandy** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:51 am

Hopefully the power will slide from the president back to the congress.

FDR, if you didn't help end the depression and win WW2, I'd call you a dictator.

Mjolnir · Post by **Mjolnir** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:13 am

Master Chief wrote:Haha, that loser finally resigned...

I AM waiting for the day the US uses appropriate military force against Cuba...and when I mean military force, I mean those under-armed troops simply stroll in with toy guns and bubble makers.

Ok, so how do you plan to attack Cuba? It may be an island of your coast, but they know that as well as you do. If you think Iraq was bad, Cuba will make it look like a dispute between 2 6 year olds. They aren't a nation of people who would do anything to get away from their dictator, one who are conscripted and will run away at the sight of a non-friendly jet. They will fight.

T-002 · Post by **T-002** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:19 am

Mjolnir wrote:
Master Chief wrote:Haha, that loser finally resigned...

I AM waiting for the day the US uses appropriate military force against Cuba...and when I mean military force, I mean those under-armed troops simply stroll in with toy guns and bubble makers.
Ok, so how do you plan to attack Cuba? It may be an island of your coast, but they know that as well as you do. If you think Iraq was bad, Cuba will make it look like a dispute between 2 6 year olds. They aren't a nation of people who would do anything to get away from their dictator, one who are conscripted and will run away at the sight of a non-friendly jet. They will fight.

Example: Bay of Pigs.

... at least, from what I remember from History class, it wasn't a success.

ArcaneDude · Post by **ArcaneDude** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:28 am

I just think US should quit sticking it's nose in places where it will be broken.
And they probably will, if one of the democrats gets chosen.

Da_Higg · Post by **Da_Higg** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:00 am

Mjolnir wrote:Ok, so how do you plan to attack Cuba?

They'll carry on as they are now: Burn fossil fuels, increase global temperature, raise sea level and flood Cuba.