I get soooooo effing tired of humanity sometimes...

Kazuael · Post by **Kazuael** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:40 pm

As much as I'd hate to do this, I have to quote The Matrix.

"I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply. You multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet; you're a plague, and we are the cure."

Aside from the part about the cure, that statement is pretty much correct. We consume and consume with blatant disregard for the planet, our host. Now when we finish consuming everything, we'll either a) die with the host, or b) spread out into the universe like a virus. The first one is far more likely, as we pretty much can't get to anywhere else.

We're not bad because we have choice, it's that people choose to put themselves above the species.

ChaosTheory · Post by **ChaosTheory** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:40 pm

osilus wrote:Better then human eh? How are humans bad? because we have a choice in what we believe? What would be better then human? Or do you mean in a physical sence?

Why do you think we can't be made better?

osilus · Post by **osilus** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:43 pm

Heh, were no different from animals except that we're more intelligent and we have tools. Its not like animals try to establish an equilibrium, it just happens.

Oh and chaos, Its because I believe psycologicaly(not physicaly) we are as good as we choose to be.

error · Post by **error** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:47 pm

osilus wrote:Its not like animals try to establish an equilibrium, it just happens.

Exactly. Nature isn't quite as nurturing as many people think. The ways in which equilibrium is achieved are sometimes very brutal and, to many humans, inhumane.

Kazuael · Post by **Kazuael** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:50 pm

Of course it just happens, but we make it not happen, thus the huge problems that arise. Nature is harsh and cruel, but we try our damndest to make it nice and comforting, and that really screws up a lot.

Humans are just machines. Fancy, biochemical machines, but machines nonetheless. Human psychology is therefore just a series of processes, so theoretically with the right technology we could alter the human mind. It really comes down to science and how we use it.

osilus · Post by **osilus** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:53 pm

Soo you believe that humans would be better through control, better without choice eh? And again, you speak as if we arn't animals, and again I restate that we are animals just ones that are more powerful.

Kazuael · Post by **Kazuael** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:07 pm

There are two stances I'm willing to take on this issue.

A) If humanity continues as it is now, recklessly sucking dry the Earth and then panicking when we've run out and leaping off to other worlds, I vote that we die on this rock. No point in us spreading out to infect more worlds.

B) If humanity manages to not totally screw itself over and does in fact better, I will support whatever it is that gives the species the highest chance of survival. Yes, that includes the removal of choice if necessary, because as I stated earlier, between survival and morality, I'll take survival.

Also, if we are just animals, what's wrong with controlling some? Herding people around isn't too different from herding around sheep or cows for that matter.

bien4500 · Post by **bien4500** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:41 pm

I am getting tired of humanity because of all these needless wars, the governments that can do something about hunger and poverty, but don't do something about it, the crimes people commit that go unpunished, the corruption in governments, terrorism and how we are abusing our only home.

TrashMan · Post by **TrashMan** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:06 pm

Squishy wrote:Todays children are tomorrows adults.

So far I'm not impressed.

--- scratch that, I'm enraged.

QFT... We're friggin DOOOMED.

Also, to say that the word is always the same is fallacy of the greatest order. It's not the same. It changes. There are better periods and worse periods. No Golden Age per see, but still - shifts, bigger or smaller ones, towards better or worse.

TheBlueEcho · Post by **TheBlueEcho** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:42 pm

TrashMan wrote:It's not the same. It changes. There are better periods and worse periods. No Golden Age per see, but still - shifts, bigger or smaller ones, towards better or worse.

...But It seems to lean towards the worse, mostly.

Post by **Arcalane** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:20 pm

The only option is Exterminatus.

With giant statues of the Emperor. Fired out of railguns.

They actually did that in one of the books, or so I'm told.

Squishy · Post by **Squishy** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:48 pm

That option is not available to us, Arcalane.

Actually there aren't that many options at all... not good ones anyway.

osilus · Post by **osilus** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:00 am

God you people are depressing, and @ kazuael: I'll support choice till my species is dead, be it from meteor or nuclear war.

And second why is today all that much worse? We have democracy, theres less famine, we allways have had lots of wars. And cmon the UN(ineefective as it is) has to mean something towards the peaceful end of things...jesus I can't believe I'm being optimisstic...

warhammer651 · Post by **warhammer651** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:01 am

any one else think that we are perfectly describing a reverse Dilbert principal?

for those not in the know:
the DP (Dilbert principal) states that everyone lapses in and out of stupidity without noticing. it also states that every engineered conveniences we have is designed by one of a few thousand smart deviants inhabiting our planet. we rely on these, despit the fact that most brains have no effin clue how they work (hence, tech support). because of our general reliance on technology, a few thousand smart deviants hold up our entire society.

now, to illistrate what i mean, our entire society is being degraded by a few million- a few billion idiots.

for more read : the dilbert principal

We have democracy

yes, well, the greeks and democracy till they were conquered by the roman empire.

osilus · Post by **osilus** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:07 am

warhammer651 wrote:
We have democracy
yes, well, the greeks and democracy till they were conquered by the roman empire.

Bah greeks had one going, but it limited rights, and while ours did, we have gotten better. Also other countrys have democracys...well atleast things close to one.(read parliment)...man cmon people look at the bright friggen side of life, besides the whole possibility of nuking ourselfs into next tomorrow, humanity is doing better then ever.