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What Do We Call These Miserable Bastards Anyway?

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Anna raised a good point in that calling the Remnant the Remnant is a pretty silly idea.

So, any suggestions?

Also, any suggestions for our absolutely friendly and totally not manipulative at all NPC Outsiders?

I'm also thinking the NPC Outsiders should have, or should seem to have, multiple internal factions tangled up with each other and generally working at cross purposes. This can be genuine (they're all nefarious backstabbing lunatics, and are all out to get 'to the top') or merely a ploy (because they're all nefarious backstabbing lunatics, but are all on the same side) that helps their campaigns of misinformation, confusion and whatnot.
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Re: What Do We Call These Miserable Bastards Anyway?

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Something most of us in #BSFCE seemed to agree on is the following:

"Imperial Remnant factions" would most likely have names like: Imperial [Descriptor] of [System Name]/[Planet Name]/[Outpost Name]. There could be other flowery adverbs or adjectives added for flavour.
[00:29] <HorseLobster> Remnant != empire
[00:29] <Squishee> in system movement is free, as long as nothing impedes your progress... i think?
[00:30] <HorseLobster> Yees, but what are we doing regarding where things are inside systems?
[00:30] <Anna> Remnant DOES = Empire. We went over this. They're called the Remnant because they are what's left of the Empire. They still consider themselves the Empire, and they still have a decent amount of Imperial Tech.
[00:30] <STARSTRUCK> Arc's remnants are pretty sexy
[00:30] <Anna> So don't argue semantics with me, bitch. >:|
[00:31] * Anna of course doesn't mean that last bit seriously.
[00:31] <Anna> I forget that shit like that comes across as me being an angry dick instead of me jokingly insulting someone on IRC.
[00:32] <Squishee> We'll just have to one up when the pre-collapse equivalents are designed.
[00:32] <HorseLobster> But the remnant and the actual empire have vastly different technology levels.
[00:34] <Anna> Yeah, but the remnant is the actual Empire. For the record, I will call the Remnant the Empire, because "Remnant" is a goofy retard name ripped straight of out the Star Wars EU. I will refer to pre-Collapse Empire as the "Old Empire". So there.
[00:34] <Anna> :P
[00:34] <Squishee> Empire -> Imperial Remnant
[00:35] <Squishee> If the wording should be exact enough to differentiate, yes?
[00:35] <HorseLobster> So, if a bunch of former British colonies got together and decided tht they were the British Empire, they'd be the British empire?
[00:35] <Anna> If the rest of the British colonies were wiped out? Yes.
[00:35] <Anna> Because the Old Empire doesn't exist anymore, right?
[00:36] <Anna> So what's left of it is still the Empire.
[00:36] <Squishee> Knowing Arc, we can't say for sure
[00:36] <Squishee> So, the precollapse = Ye Olde Empire. Post Collapse = Imperial Remnant or?
[00:36] <HorseLobster> Uuuh, that seems a bit spurious to me Anna.
[00:36] <Anna> I refuse to use the name "Imperial Remnant".
[00:37] <Anna> They wouldn't call themselves that, so I won't call them that.
[00:37] <Anna> Period.
[00:37] <HorseLobster> Right, right.
[00:37] <HorseLobster> What.
[00:37] <HorseLobster> If
[00:37] <HorseLobster> Two different sets of dudes both decide that they are the Empire?
[00:37] <Anna> That's what we call a civil war.
[00:37] <Squishee> IMPERIUM
[00:38] <Squishee> So, just old empire and empire then?
[00:38] <HorseLobster> In before everyone decides that they are the empire.
[00:38] <HorseLobster> And we have player factions that say they are the empire too.
[00:38] <HorseLobster> Meta2: Empire wars.
[00:38] <Anna> That doesn't make any kind of sense.
[00:39] <Squishee> Rather, how about we have empire players name their factions in this manner: XPLANETX Imperial or something
[00:39] <Squishee> dunno, someone think of something good.
[00:39] <STARSTRUCK> Imperial Dominion of XPLANETX
[00:40] <Anna> Imperial Outpost XSYSTEMX or XPLANETX. With optional extras. Or Dominion.
[00:41] <Squishee> Imperial XORGANIZATIONX of XPLANETX
[00:41] <Squishee> Imperial Enclave of Pluto or something
[00:41] <Anna> The Enclave!
[00:41] <Anna> Yes!
[00:41] <HorseLobster> The Imperial Imperium.
[00:41] <Squishee> Imperial enclaves?
[00:42] <Squishee> THE IMPERIAL EMPIRE OF THE IMPERIUM
[00:42] <HorseLobster> Just Empire Empire of Empire.
[00:42] <Anna> See, I don't mind all remaining Imperial factions as a whole being refered to as "remnant factions", but actually using the name "Imperial Remnant" grates on me.
[00:42] <Squishee> Yeah, nobody would be humble like that, esp those members of the once glorious empire
[00:43] <Squishee> So i guess empire-aligned players should follow a faction naming pattern of Imperial XORGANIZATIONX of XSYSTEMX
[00:43] <Squishee> organization relating to how their shit works.
[00:43] <Squishee> Enclave, coalition, alliance, church
[00:44] <Squishee> ...R&D INSTITUTE..
[00:44] <HorseLobster> The First Church of the Enclave Coalition Alliance.
[00:45] <HorseLobster> The First Imperial Church of the Enclave Coalition Alliance.
[00:45] <HorseLobster> The First Imperial Church of the Enclave Coalition Alliance of Free Worlds.
[00:45] <Squishee> stop it
[00:45] <Anna> Yeah. An if they want to add on optional extra tags for flavour, that's cool. Like "The Glorious Imperial Coalition of Rigel"
[00:45] <Anna> Or whatever.
[00:45] <Squishee> yeah, that'll work
[00:45] <HorseLobster> I like mine more.
[00:46] <Anna> You're a goof, HorseMonster.
[00:46] <Squishee> The Victorious Imperial Armada of Canopus.
[00:46] <Squishee> ^first faction to lose every battle.
[00:47] <HorseLobster> When we get one faction that's just doing really badly we should have the NPC outsiders offer them really powerful shit in exchange for doing evil for them.
[00:47] <Anna> The Righteous Imperial Fist of Tau Ceti!
[00:47] * Anna saves that as potential NPC faction to use at some point..
So, if other people refer to all the Imperial factions as a whole as "Remnant forces"... that makes sense. But actually calling them the "Remnant" is silly. I intend to refer to Imperial factions as they currently exist as just "Imperials". I will refer to pre-Collapse Empire as the Old Empire, most likely.
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Re: What Do We Call These Miserable Bastards Anyway?

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[Sun 06] [12:15:56] <~Arcalane> well I meant the thing about the manipulators
[Sun 06] [12:16:05] <~Arcalane> "I'm also thinking the NPC Outsiders should have, or should seem to have, multiple internal factions tangled up with each other and generally working at cross purposes. This can be genuine (they're all nefarious backstabbing lunatics, and are all out to get 'to the top') or merely a ploy (because they're all nefarious backstabbing lunatics, but are all on the same side) that helps their
[Sun 06] [12:16:05] <~Arcalane> campaigns of misinformation, confusion and whatnot."
[Sun 06] [12:16:07] <@Anna> MANIPULATORS
[Sun 06] [12:16:09] <@Anna> Fun.
[Sun 06] [12:16:23] <~Arcalane> shadowy bastards who are going to fuck with people's heads for their own ends
[Sun 06] [12:16:29] <~Arcalane> or possibly just for amusement
[Sun 06] [12:16:40] <@Anna> They're clearly Anonymous.
[Sun 06] [12:16:58] <@Anna> Foorchannians
[Sun 06] [12:17:06] <Verminator> I thought they were like the Melnorme in that they barter everything
[Sun 06] [12:17:35] <~Arcalane> I'm totally going to call one of them Ansaksie or Yukabacera as a shoutout to Iji. And they primarily barter information, Verm.
[Sun 06] [12:17:47] <~Arcalane> they cannot physically access the player's level of Lanespace
[Sun 06] [12:17:49] <~Arcalane> they're...
[Sun 06] [12:17:59] <~Arcalane> I dare say they are not unlike the Trolls from Homestuck
[Sun 06] [12:18:15] <~Arcalane> they cannot interact physically or interfere, but they can observe and communicate
[Sun 06] [12:18:30] <Verminator> So, they don't have any fighting ships?
[Sun 06] [12:18:53] <~Arcalane> barring someone doing something REALLY REALLY STUPID like activating a dimension gate for them or something, they cannot get there
[Sun 06] [12:18:57] <~Arcalane> so no need to make ships
[Sun 06] [12:19:18] <~Arcalane> and if they are allowed in, there will be plenty of shit hitting star-system sized fans.
[Sun 06] [12:20:54] <~Arcalane> they manipulate people seemingly for the lulz. they enjoy seeing people fight, no matter who wins or loses. if they need to provide material incentive, well, they can provide material incentive.
[Sun 06] [12:21:01] * @Anna (~Seraph@direct.neural.interface) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[Sun 06] [12:21:06] <Verminator> Will they actually be physically manifest in our universe?
[Sun 06] [12:21:12] * Anna (~Seraph@direct.neural.interface) has joined #BSFCE
[Sun 06] [12:21:12] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Anna
[Sun 06] [12:21:17] <~Arcalane> iunno.
[Sun 06] [12:21:22] <@Anna> [21:16:24] <Arcalane> shadowy bastards who are going to fuck with people's heads for their own ends
[Sun 06] [12:21:22] <@Anna> [21:16:30] <Arcalane> or possibly just for amusement
[Sun 06] [12:21:24] <@Anna> [21:16:41] <Anna> They're clearly Anonymous.
[Sun 06] [12:21:24] <@Anna> [21:16:59] <Anna> Foorchannians
[Sun 06] [12:21:26] <@Anna> [21:17:10] <Anna> Sounds alien. :3
[Sun 06] [12:21:26] <@Anna> [21:17:21] <Anna> They're doing it for the lulz
[Sun 06] [12:21:28] <@Anna> [21:17:25] <Anna> Intergalactic trolls.
[Sun 06] [12:21:28] <@Anna> [21:17:48] * Disconnected
[Sun 06] [12:21:32] <~Arcalane> sec
[Sun 06] [12:22:02] <~Arcalane> http://bsfmeta.pastebin.com/XdDR44Z0
[Sun 06] [12:22:15] <~Arcalane> they might not ever need to appear
[Sun 06] [12:22:26] <~Arcalane> or we could have them actually invade
[Sun 06] [12:22:37] <~Arcalane> assuming, like I say, someone is stupid enough to open the door for them
[Sun 06] [12:22:41] <Verminator> Sounds like they're basically the G-man
[Sun 06] [12:23:12] <@Anna> If they cannot interact physically, how are they able to communicate?
[Sun 06] [12:23:17] <~Arcalane> SCIENCE
[Sun 06] [12:23:37] <~Arcalane> I meant, they can't physically access the same level of space via teleportation/FTL/whatever.
[Sun 06] [12:23:52] <~Arcalane> at least not without help, maybe
[Sun 06] [12:23:59] <Verminator> because they don't have the tech?
[Sun 06] [12:24:24] <~Arcalane> who knows? no need to have a solid reason - and they certainly wouldn't give you an honest answer if you asked. Image
[Sun 06] [12:26:32] <@Anna> Heh.
[Sun 06] [12:26:48] <~Arcalane> heck if several people asked they'd probably give different answers
[Sun 06] [12:26:50] <Verminator> "why did your bridge just turn purple"
[Sun 06] [12:26:55] <~Arcalane> misinformation/disinformation/etc.
[Sun 06] [12:28:33] <~Arcalane> Verm; that'll cost you 12,000 credits
[Sun 06] [12:29:17] <~Arcalane> 120,000, sorry.
[Sun 06] [12:30:09] <Verminator> I wonder why their bridge did turn purple
[Sun 06] [12:30:36] * @Anna (~Seraph@direct.neural.interface) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[Sun 06] [12:30:57] <~Arcalane> who knows. those guys are weird.
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[Sun 06] [12:31:03] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Anna
[Sun 06] [12:31:14] <@Anna> Fucking connection. :|
[Sun 06] [12:31:27] <Verminator> I don't think you missed anything
[Sun 06] [12:31:30] <~Arcalane> last thing you said + last relevant thing I said
[Sun 06] [12:31:37] <@Anna> Ah.
[Sun 06] [12:31:39] <~Arcalane> (rest is just me and Verm dithering about the Melnorme)
[Sun 06] [12:31:55] <~Arcalane> http://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/Melnorme
[Sun 06] [12:32:07] <Verminator> I still don't get those guys
[Sun 06] [12:32:16] <Verminator> or the Orz for that matter
[Sun 06] [12:32:41] <@Anna> I see.
[Sun 06] [12:33:20] <~Arcalane> god the Orz are creepy
[Sun 06] [12:33:43] <~Arcalane> and to think I was the one that pitched the question that finally closed the WHO THE FUCK ARE THEY business
[Sun 06] [12:34:10] <~Arcalane> actually using some Orzesque Communicator Failure could be make for fun times
[Sun 06] [12:34:16] <~Arcalane> -be
[Sun 06] [12:34:31] <~Arcalane> http://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/Orz for Anna
[Sun 06] [12:34:35] <Verminator> You are *funny babies*
[Sun 06] [12:34:56] <~Arcalane> also see http://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/Orz_communications
[Sun 06] [12:35:45] <Verminator> time for *party* at *funny peppers*
[Sun 06] [12:36:54] <~Arcalane> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... atIsRotten + http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... ranslation
[Sun 06] [12:39:08] <Verminator> So, is their appearance important?
[Sun 06] [12:42:14] <~Arcalane> not hugely. they might not even appear on screen, just as voice communications.
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Re: What Do We Call These Miserable Bastards Anyway?

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All votes seem to be in favour of a Coalition, no votes for other options. Now just to decide what we call that Coalition. New Imperial Coalition? Imperial Coalition?
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Re: What Do We Call These Miserable Bastards Anyway?

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I posed Imperial Coalition to a bunch of people I think a week ago, it was generally met with approval. Adding New to it seems a tad superfluous.
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Re: What Do We Call These Miserable Bastards Anyway?

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The Imperial Coalition does appear to be the best choice, yeah.
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