Mini Fleets. Do Arca's thing instead.

Deltaflyer · Post by **Deltaflyer** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:45 am

Ill throw my hat into the ring. My first two vessels. Command class Starbase ( not armed yet ) and my assault dreadnaught.

lightstriker · Post by **lightstriker** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:12 am

Jafo. You have custom sprites. That or you changed the "default" location of sprites. (on the Brimstone)
Beyond that...
From what I've seen so far: The fighter is op. Too high hp, too accurate of a weapon. Lower one or the other
The Brimstone: ... watching this fight the standard dreadnought, I actually found myself starting to fall asleep :/ It manages to be "balanced" by virtue of having weapon strippers, and heavy pd. It's damage output is... pathetically low. Which basically means that any of its "fights" will either end up with it getting trashed within... a minute? maybe? Or a long, protracted fight, in which the other ship just sorta sits there and watches its hp VERY, VERY slowly decreasing.
I didn't try your other ships yet, and I don't plan to.
Please be aware that I'm honestly not trying to be elitist, or rude, or anything of that sort. It's just... please try again. I'm sure that you could come up with a way to make battles more interesting. Thank you very much for putting these up however, it's good to see what people are working on

@Deltaflyer: Looks good. I'll try to get a balance scale up soon.
Also, just a general note, I'm going to try and get a secondary balancing guide up shortly (sorta). You'll see what I mean.

Deltaflyer · Post by **Deltaflyer** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:28 am

I used fraxy sprites for the Station's 'core'. Is that okay?

lightstriker · Post by **lightstriker** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:31 am

Page 4 wrote:
ODST wrote:Can you use custom sprites, like the fraxy ones?

lightstriker wrote:yes

Yes. Yes it is

ODST · Post by **ODST** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:23 am

Here is my submition

From top to bottom:

Predator Battlecruiser/Dreadnought: 4x Particle Projection Cannon (PPC), 4x Pulse Ion Cannon (PIC), 4x Pulse Ion CIWS (PICIWS), 2x Active Defense System (ADS), 1x Heavy Shield

Possesor Carrier: 2x PPC, 4x PICIWS, 2x ADS, 1x Heavy Shield, 1x Hornet Launch Bay, 2x Mk.I Repair Suite

Hunter Light Cruiser/Destroyer: 2x PPC, 2x PIC, 2x Particle Chain Gun (PCG), 4x PICIWS, 2x ADS, 1x Heavy Shield

Badger Frigate: 2x PPC, 2x PCG, 2x PICIWS, 2x ADS, 1x Heavy Shield

Onager Torpedo Frigate: 2x Particle Projection Torpedo (PPT), 2x PCG, 2x PICIWS, 2x ADS, 1x Heavy Shield

Mercy Repair Frigate: 2x PCG, 2x PICIWS, 2x ADS, 1x Heavy Shield, 1x Termite Launch Bay, 2x Mk.II Repair Suite

Hornet Space Superiority Fighter: 1x Light PCG, 1x Light Forward Shield

Termite Repair Drone: 1x Mk.II Repair Suite

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b9fe ... f6e8ebb871

Access the Launch Bays by cliking on the spider like thing with the blue core in the center of the Possesor and the Mercy.

I'll probably add more ships later, when I can think of some new designs.

(EDIT: I've added the .sb4s for all my ships. The reason? Those ship deployers are very annoying. Before you try using the Possesor or the Mercy, go into Shipmaker and make sure the ship launcher's ship field is ODST's Minifleet\Hornet.shp and Termite.shp respectivley. If you do anything to the files of the Possesor or Mercy (copying them, opening them in shipmaker) the ship deployer's ship field is set to 0 for some reason.)

lightstriker · Post by **lightstriker** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:42 am

Would it be at all possible to get some default color on these ships? Thank you.
Also, a general announcement. Due to the fact that I uploaded the wrong template ships (long story) All the ships in that folder are on the low end of the power spectrum for their respective classes (except for the Standard Fighter, Standard dreadnought, and (to some extent) the standard frigate, which are closer to the middle).
Just something to be aware of, although it seems to have worked out well, as pretty much everyone is aiming quite a bit above the template ships with their stats anyway it appears

However, in an attempt to rectify this problem to some extent, I have begun work on two different things to help clarify balance. Please see the first post for further details. (should be up in a minute or two)

ODST · Post by **ODST** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:48 am

Wrong templates?

...crap. I guess I can just rebalance... And it does give me room for bigger, better ships.

And I can do defaults colors. I'll have them up tomorrow or the day after.

EDIT: When opening the Possessor or the Mercy in Shipmaker, you'll get an error message. I don't know why, but ignoring has no negative effects.

EDIT 2: I lied. Finished recoloring in like 5 minutes or something. All the dark blue has been changed to default blue, and the fighters have default blue wings now.

Link: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=5f80 ... f6e8ebb871

lightstriker · Post by **lightstriker** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:14 pm

Well, do rebalance, but... read fully through the first post (mainly the "Announcement" section)
And thank you very much for the recoloring

Jafo · Post by **Jafo** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:39 pm

lightstriker wrote:Jafo. You have custom sprites. That or you changed the "default" location of sprites. (on the Brimstone)
Beyond that...
From what I've seen so far: The fighter is op. Too high hp, too accurate of a weapon. Lower one or the other
The Brimstone: ... watching this fight the standard dreadnought, I actually found myself starting to fall asleep :/ It manages to be "balanced" by virtue of having weapon strippers, and heavy pd. It's damage output is... pathetically low. Which basically means that any of its "fights" will either end up with it getting trashed within... a minute? maybe? Or a long, protracted fight, in which the other ship just sorta sits there and watches its hp VERY, VERY slowly decreasing.
I didn't try your other ships yet, and I don't plan to.
Please be aware that I'm honestly not trying to be elitist, or rude, or anything of that sort. It's just... please try again. I'm sure that you could come up with a way to make battles more interesting. Thank you very much for putting these up however, it's good to see what people are working on

Oh well, back to the drawing board. Umm, the Brimstone was my cruiser, so if it was managing to stay alive against the template dreadnaught then I am very happy! The Reaper was my battleship to match against the template dreadnaughts. I have already edited the content of my post (removed it) since it didn't seem like I should have kept it up based on your comments. Guess I acted too fast if you were testing the wrong ship.

No need to apologize, you weren't coming across bad in any way. Honest appraisal is fine.

Custom sprites are not allowed? Then I have to remake them all anyways (was just a piece that had no details on it that I was using as a background for fake Aegis glow to come through the holes).

If custom sprites are not allowed, then how are you allowing bubble shields to be used? I don't remember anything like that in the SM default sections (the bubble shield pieces in TheBlueEcho's thread come to mind as possibly being of use).

lightstriker · Post by **lightstriker** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:45 pm

No, of course custom sprites are allowed. Sorry, I wasn't very clear on that.
What I meant was that, unless the custom sprite is one of the ones in the custom content section (In which case, please put it into the suggested folder w/ the suggested filename) I (and, ideally, everyone who wants the ship) need to have some way of getting the custom sprite, and need to know where to place it (in my custom sprites folder) as well.
Oh, and I was using the dreadnought

Just used the wrong name for it, sorry.

Jafo · Post by **Jafo** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:43 pm

lightstriker wrote:No, of course custom sprites are allowed. Sorry, I wasn't very clear on that.
What I meant was that, unless the custom sprite is one of the ones in the custom content section (In which case, please put it into the suggested folder w/ the suggested filename) I (and, ideally, everyone who wants the ship) need to have some way of getting the custom sprite, and need to know where to place it (in my custom sprites folder) as well.
Oh, and I was using the dreadnought Just used the wrong name for it, sorry.

Gotcha, didn't know that about custom sprites for other people, thanks. Out of curiosity, what happens when you use a ship that has a custom sprite, but you don't have the sprite (ship loads but the custom sprite is not there or some default sprite takes its place or ....)? Heh, no problem for the mistaken name, just means your analysis was correct and I need to do more work.

Post by **Kaelis** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:08 pm

I could make some small sections for you guys, i just need to know what kind of sections they should be - im out of ideas myself.

TheBlueEcho · Post by **TheBlueEcho** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:14 pm

Kaelis wrote:I could make some small sections for you guys, i just need to know what kind of sections they should be - im out of ideas myself.

Well, Could You start by sharing your Mini BSF set with everyone? I love that lil set.

It also seems to be the only set not included with BSF.

Post by **Kaelis** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:41 pm

Gah, forgot about them.

lightstriker · Post by **lightstriker** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:29 am

If I was going to request anything, it would be some simpler, stock-esque utility sections (things like stock_04, stock_05, stock_17, stock_25, etc.)
besides that... dunno really. I'm sure that whatever you make someone will find an use for

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