LG's Wrecked sections

Singularity · Post by **Singularity** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:49 am

I'm guessing they create the oxygen when they react, due to the atoms being given off.

lightstriker · Post by **lightstriker** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:00 am

lightstriker wrote:Lithium and Flourine make fire.
Without oxygen.
Just saying

Singularity wrote:I'm guessing they create the oxygen when they react, due to the atoms being given off.

...Lithium is an element
Flourine is an element.
They react as follows: 2 Li + F2 ---> 2 LiF
There is no oxygen.

with that said, we should probably get back on topic now... thank you, and sorry.

AidanAdv · Post by **AidanAdv** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:00 am

Singularity wrote:I'm guessing they create the oxygen when they react, due to the atoms being given off.

[20:55] <LSleep> ...epic fail ---> http://www.wyrdysm.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... c&start=14
[20:55] <LSleep> just... no...
[20:56] <AidanAdv> He apparently ignored the fact that those are elements, not compounds
[20:57] <LSleep> yup...
[20:57] <LSleep> I don't even WANT to know where he thought the oxygen came from ~.~

EDIT: THE NINJAS WERE EVERYWHERE MAN!

the mulletron · Post by **the mulletron** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:48 pm

LordGarcia wrote:Back then when I made these I simply thought about making some damage here, some holes there. I didn't really think about what hit it and that might be the cause for these all looking different.

I never said anything about making damaged sections for certain damage types. I was just pointing out the fact that you've only made one sprite for each section, which would be problematic for a ship like the Hestia, which uses the same section four times (I mean, it would look a little weird if the ship had the same rips and tears across its body).

Kyranzor wrote:i reckon someone should make a doodad with repeating flames/sparks/smoke that you can pin to the destroyed sections, to be gas emissions and electrical fires or whatever that might originate from the damaged areas..

I have been playing around with that idea myself for a while now, but have never put anything down on paper yet. I might experiment with making one or two tonight. I'll post the results along with a few more sprites if I'm able.

Oh, and for the record, I believe there are reactions that can burn without the presence of oxygen (and anyways, wouldn't oxygen leak out of life support systems and the like?)

flabort · Post by **flabort** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:19 am

the mulletron wrote:Oh, and for the record, I believe there are reactions that can burn without the presence of oxygen (and anyways, wouldn't oxygen leak out of life support systems and the like?)

technically, although the presence of a flame gives the apearence of fire, "burning" and "combustion" are considered a form of combining with oxygen. rusting is a simmilar reaction dragged out over a longer time period. anything else that produces a flame, including lithium and florine, is not really burning, it gives the ilusion of burning, and triggers combustion reactions to start.

so sure, it produces a flame, but is it burning? no.

and just for the record, hydrocarbons burn the best.

the mulletron · Post by **the mulletron** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:35 am

flabort wrote:technically, although the presence of a flame gives the apearence of fire, "burning" and "combustion" are considered a form of combining with oxygen. rusting is a simmilar reaction dragged out over a longer time period. anything else that produces a flame, including lithium and florine, is not really burning, it gives the ilusion of burning, and triggers combustion reactions to start.

so sure, it produces a flame, but is it burning? no.

Yes, but this is all just a technicality. Sure, within academic circles, burning is a process which explicitly involves oxygen, but to the layman, the word "burning" is an umbrella term applied to any reaction that produces a flame. I was simply using the word in the latter context.

But all this is a moot point. The original debate was about can fires (or at least something to similar effect) exist in space, and AFAIK, the answer is yes.

EDIT: I've just had a quick look at Wikipedia on the subject of combustion. You're wrong, flabort. The process is is defined as...

Wikipedia wrote:...a complex sequence of exothermic chemical reactions between a fuel (usually a hydrocarbon) and an oxidant accompanied by the production of heat or both heat and light in the form of either a glow or flames, appearance of light flickering.

Wikipedia gives both oxygen and fluorine as examples of oxidants. See for yourself if you don't believe me...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion

Post by **Arcalane** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:45 am

the mulletron wrote:...the answer is yes.

Assuming the fuel contains the necessary oxygen, one would assume so - similar to how phosphorus burns underwater.

Singularity · Post by **Singularity** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:10 am

He apparently ignored the fact that those are elements, not compounds

That's why I said I guessed. I don't know how Lithium and Fluorine react.

parameciumkid · Post by **parameciumkid** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:35 am

Okay already, enough with the Lithium and Fluorine!
I'm sure the poor guy feels bad enough by now.

flabort · Post by **flabort** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:18 am

the mulletron wrote:
Wikipedia gives both oxygen and fluorine as examples of oxidants.

Ok, didn't know that. i thought it was the flourate and flourite ions (which contian oxygen) attached to metals that made flourine an atractive atom to have in a burning chemical. turns out, yes, i was wrong. interesting that elemental flourine can be used to burn stuff in a way defined not just by the layman.

hmm... since iron rust is iron (II) oxide and iron (III) oxide, i wonder what would happen with a flourine replacement, so iron (II) flouride and iron (III) flouride... i though it worked as putting a stable bright red flame when those combined with oxygen, but now that i see...

i'm babbling again. sorry. i'll stop now. really. i'm sorry.[/babble]

Ninteen45 · Post by **Ninteen45** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:47 am

Nicesprites, will you redo them for more variation?

the mulletron · Post by **the mulletron** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:18 pm

I'm back with new sprites! Thought I would post these up now, since they've been sitting on my hard drive for over a week now. Anyways, here they are...

So, what do you think?

LordGarcia · Post by **LordGarcia** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:49 pm

those are nice but i think that you overdid the damage on some of them. for example on section 17.

Nutcase · Post by **Nutcase** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:26 am

OK. So they're not damaged, they're wrecked. I can live with that.
Very useful indeed.

jwa8402 · Post by **jwa8402** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:42 am

yay! Biggest problem with the damagable stock ships i made with your sprites is that the stock designs have alot of repetition. Now I can modify them so they will be damaged differently. Good job!