The Chain Ship Project

Anarki · Post by **Anarki** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:19 pm

I don't think used nuclear fuel cells would cause that much damage to a hull.

However, it would probably irriadate unshielded biological targets. Which means anything outside the hull (unless the used fuel cells penetrate the hull and get inside) is screwed, but inside, not much will happen. The gamma radiation from the fuel cells might do something to electronics, though.

You'd be better off extracting the plutonium out of the used fuel cells and make some fission bombs out of it.

I don't believe a theoretical commercial fusion power plant would produce any waste byproducts - and I'm sure it wouldn't create any kind of byproduct which would be radioactive or corrosive or whatever enough to be used as a weapon.

Grenville · Post by **Grenville** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:24 pm

i should mention that other materials can be used as fusion reactor fuel, including radioactive materials

deuterium (heavy water) which is an isotope of hydrogen makes a better fusion fuel then normal water

i forget off hand what radioactive materials can be used for fusion, im sleep deprived -.-

Grenville · Post by **Grenville** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:28 pm

Anarki wrote:I don't think used nuclear fuel cells would cause that much damage to a hull.

However, it would probably irriadate unshielded biological targets. Which means anything outside the hull (unless the used fuel cells penetrate the hull and get inside) is screwed, but inside, not much will happen. The gamma radiation from the fuel cells might do something to electronics, though.

You'd be better off extracting the plutonium out of the used fuel cells and make some fission bombs out of it.

I don't believe a theoretical commercial fusion power plant would produce any waste byproducts - and I'm sure it wouldn't create any kind of byproduct which would be radioactive or corrosive or whatever enough to be used as a weapon.

the density of spent radioactive solids make them perfectly suited to be used as anti material projectile weapon rounds, we currently use them in some cannons

fusion makes plasma which is highly corrosive in nature, it melts virtually everything it touches and keeps burning for some time

Anarki · Post by **Anarki** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:49 pm

Well, wouldn't some kind of plasma weapon would defeat the purpose of using spent fuel - because plasma isn't spent fuel, is it?

Well, if you put it that way, I guess spent nuclear fuel cells could be used as armor-penetrating rounds, but only because it's dense, not because it's radioactive.

Grenville · Post by **Grenville** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:11 pm

Anarki wrote:Well, wouldn't some kind of plasma weapon would defeat the purpose of using spent fuel - because plasma isn't spent fuel, is it?

Well, if you put it that way, I guess spent nuclear fuel cells could be used as armor-penetrating rounds, but only because it's dense, not because it's radioactive.

depends on the material you use as fusion reactor fuel

you do need a fusion reactor type device to make the ammunition needed to fire from a plasma based cannon or you can redirect the plasma from fusion reactors and or fusion/plasma engines to fire from your cannons

Lizzie · Post by **Lizzie** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:33 pm

Grenville wrote:
you do need a fusion reactor type device to make the ammunition needed to fire from a plasma based cannon or you can redirect the plasma from fusion reactors and or fusion/plasma engines to fire from your cannons

This is what powers most IVL energy weapon systems, waste plasma from the reactor. Or at least their lasers.

Post by **Arcalane** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:59 pm

Note that I never actually specified any form of power generation or thrust generation used by the ship.

Anarki · Post by **Anarki** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:05 pm

Arcalane wrote:Note that I never actually specified any form of power generation or thrust generation used by the ship.

Soap.

It's powered by soap.

Daxx · Post by **Daxx** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:06 pm

Well, I prefer Raul's version of the engines.

Still needs a little tweaking, but we're getting there. When am I up?

Spoot Knight · Post by **Spoot Knight** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:00 pm

Anarki wrote:Well, wouldn't some kind of plasma weapon would defeat the purpose of using spent fuel - because plasma isn't spent fuel, is it?

Well, if you put it that way, I guess spent nuclear fuel cells could be used as armor-penetrating rounds, but only because it's dense, not because it's radioactive.

Technically plasma is just pure super-heated energy, like lightning. (Sounds strange, but it's something I recall from my chem class)

Exethalion · Post by **Exethalion** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:31 pm

Raul wrote:

I prefer this version, but I'd like it if you put my two section 23's back, as they were intended to be weapon mounts like Aralonia uses. Ot at least put some 23's as mounts somewhere else on the ship.

Also, the dark grey 10s that the 23's were on top now look exposed and ugly.

Anyone else agree?

ArcaneDude · Post by **ArcaneDude** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:10 pm

Spoot Knight wrote: Technically plasma is just pure super-heated energy, like lightning. (Sounds strange, but it's something I recall from my chem class)

Bad recall. Plasma is ionized gas. Meaning any substance that has been heated up to the point where it is in it's gas fase, and fully ionised. The sun, for example, consists entirely out of plasma, be it hydrogen to helium and whatnot.

natan_j · Post by **natan_j** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:55 pm

Plasma is subatomic (proton, neutron, electron) soup. Mmm, mmm, good! Careful, it's hot!
Actually, a fusion reactor works by getting the neutrons out of the plasma and using them... to heat steam, to make a turbine spin, just like EVERY other power plant. And so yes, that would make the plasma used fuel.

Grenville · Post by **Grenville** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:45 am

Spoot Knight wrote:
Anarki wrote:Well, wouldn't some kind of plasma weapon would defeat the purpose of using spent fuel - because plasma isn't spent fuel, is it?

Well, if you put it that way, I guess spent nuclear fuel cells could be used as armor-penetrating rounds, but only because it's dense, not because it's radioactive.
Technically plasma is just pure super-heated energy, like lightning. (Sounds strange, but it's something I recall from my chem class)

plasma comes in two forms (plasma is gas)

super heated ionized gases (hot plasma) (burns)
partly ionized gas, which is generated in a high-voltage electric field in a low pressure (cold plasma) (does not burn)

Raul · Post by **Raul** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:53 am

Ok here is what I got. I've had to make it a .rar file to fit the upload min. Let me know if that is a problem.
As far as the plasma exchange-rabble rabble, I don't have time to read all those posts right now but I gather its the plasma charges which are still there. If I cut out something else, I am very sorry.
Thank you all for letting me participate in this, it was a challenge not building from scratch.

*Edit* before someone asks, yes I pmed Daxx.
Darn I forgot to add the aegis to the engine struts(25s) on the second one, someone might do that when finishing the hull unless they don't like it.
http://www.wyrdysm.com/battleshipsforev ... inShip.rar